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Old 12-14-2010, 04:16 PM
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I dont know specifically about the Z214 C91 but Hoosier A6, BFG R1, we imported some sets to use at HKS time attack this spring.

The car has changed. It was once what I would say wasnt a superGT car, its now built past the GT300 rules and is somewhere between a GT300 and a GT500 car. Just needs slicks. They have retained the outboard dampers but so did the RE Amemiya car in GT300. They have ditched more sheet metal for carbon and tubular steel.

The body is a GT300 homolgated one with some small additions for increased downforce (they have a good bit more power than GT300 machines). Its all tube and carbon with factory shock towers attached.








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Old 12-14-2010, 06:17 PM
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Here is the video!! YouTube - Revolution FD3S RX-7 laps Tsukuba in 53.6
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
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Nice looking car, seems some of the US based cars are somewhat heading the way of this build with the rules being somewhat loose and requiring stock "appearing and located" towers, my reading into that makes for a build somewhat similar to this with unibody in the middle somewhere hahaha. We're not going to do that but others I think have or are walking that path.

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Old 12-14-2010, 09:43 PM
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WOW!

But that driver looked like a lil kid! Guess that explains the playstation screen in the cockpit....WTH was that?
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
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WOW!

But that driver looked like a lil kid! Guess that explains the playstation screen in the cockpit....WTH was that?
Probably a rear camera screen. The rear wind screen is made of dry carbon

Thanks for the pics and info Andrew!

World Racing has both of there scions front and rear tube framed, but from what I understand the middle chassis is factory, right?

I feel if WTAC allows this at the event in Australia, it will be a hack. This is far from a time attack car. Impressive, yes! Time attack car, no.

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Old 12-14-2010, 11:07 PM
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Probably a rear camera screen. The rear wind screen is made of dry carbon

Thanks for the pics and info Andrew!

World Racing has both of there scions front and rear tube framed, but from what I understand the middle chassis is factory, right?

I feel if WTAC allows this at the event in Australia, it will be a hack. This is far from a time attack car. Impressive, yes! Time attack car, no.

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I am not 100% on the World Racing cars, I know they have some tubes in their but there is also a ton of the unibody left hanging into the front and rear. This car would make it legal to buy a Riley chassis weld in a stock location upright housing front and rear (perhaps not even use it ) and slap on your carbon body of choice!
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:06 AM
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I dont know specifically about the Z214 C91 but Hoosier A6, BFG R1, we imported some sets to use at HKS time attack this spring.

The car has changed. It was once what I would say wasnt a superGT car, its now built past the GT300 rules and is somewhere between a GT300 and a GT500 car. Just needs slicks. They have retained the outboard dampers but so did the RE Amemiya car in GT300. They have ditched more sheet metal for carbon and tubular steel.

The body is a GT300 homolgated one with some small additions for increased downforce (they have a good bit more power than GT300 machines). Its all tube and carbon with factory shock towers attached.
Curious how this is now built past GT300 regs? I thought Super GT cars were really only the pillars and the rest was tubes and carbon skin?

Looking at this pic, had they kept the floor pan, how would it be much different from say what World Racing did with the scions?

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Old 12-15-2010, 03:02 AM
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Curious how this is now built past GT300 regs? I thought Super GT cars were really only the pillars and the rest was tubes and carbon skin?

Looking at this pic, had they kept the floor pan, how would it be much different from say what World Racing did with the scions?

That is correct, GT500 only retains the A-B pillar. GT300 requires more of the factory chassis which IMO is pretty marginal at that point but yes. The major differentiation IMO is in aerodynamics and power. Both of which the revolution car breaks for GT300.

The aero has now been modified from the base Amemiya Asparagus drink car. It could be made a GT300 car pretty easily but it does have aero parts on it now that break GT300 rules.

To Mike's point, the car has no remnant of factory firewall or floor tubs (as you can see in the photos), you can take any GT homolgated chassis in Le Mans or SuperGT (GT300) and pass the same rules. So the only way to filter those cars from entering at this point is arbitrarily. I think thats really at the heart of the issue. Does time attack shed all of its roots?

Looking at the RTA rule book there is no requirement for outboard dampers either and thats going to be a big deal.

My personal *feeling* is that I dont like the change. If I am just building a GT car, I dont see the point of playing in the time attack sandbox. Play in the GT sandbox. I liked that it was really a production based car going that fast, it had relevance to the tuner community the cars felt attainable for people tuning their cars if they went to the edge. Thats just my *opinion* though, maybe when you come from higher series thats looking for relevance and then TA is moving away from relevance it strikes you as odd. I submit it as something to think about as the lines blur even further.

This belongs to a lot more people than just me though so with that said, the sanctioning bodies are going to do whatever they think will make them more pofitable and attractive to fans. We all better be ready to roll with the punches or fall behind if we plan to stay.

When I spoke before about this car not being a SuperGT car, it had some minimal chassis removal. They have now gone the full nine yards, everything about the cars construction is no joke GT car level now. You have to see it in person to understand. I dont know how to list it all, its all the little details. They really took the car to the next level.

I dont know about in terms of lap time, but in terms of costs for development its ahead of anything I have seen in TA. Cyber evo was built on a significantly smaller budget for sure. HKS had the chassis but not the aero. Perhaps rado's new car? I havent seen it in person yet and I think its still getting sorted out. I know I can build an FXMD clone car for what just Rado's gearbox cost and that kind of thing is going to be more commonplace moving forward. My $.02.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:12 AM
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The aero has now been modified from the base Amemiya Asparagus drink car.

To Mike's point, the car has no remnant of factory firewall or floor tubs....

Does time attack shed all of its roots?
Asparagus car? Damn, I use corn fuel in mine.....

RTA rules require firewall and pan but then goes on to say that they can be modified to accomodate suspension/exhaust etc. Just make sure you are on the race director's Christmas list and you will get a waiver....

I love the advancements in TA but they should be achieved with the roots of TA intact. Simply opening the rules to allow what was previously not allowed is not an advancement, it's simply a new/different level of rules.

I bet that car would fold in half if you cut out all the tubes and tried to actually drive it, thus making it a tube chassis car that shouldn't be in TA. The tubes should be there to supplement the chassis, not replace it. Just my .02
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:40 AM
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Might as well start allowing Super GT and DTM cars to participate in Time Attack the way this is headed. Don't get me wrong, coming from just a spectators standpoint, it is pretty cool to see these machines get pushed to the limit! From an enthusiast/competitive standpoint, it is just too much and getting too far from what my understanding of Time Attack modified cars are/is/maybe will be in the future.

I will leave my bitching at that haha. I still say congrats to those Revolution boys, half chopped or not, that time is not easy feat!


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